Come Back Sandy is a musical artist and lyricist based in Omaha, Nebraska.
Her music seeks to create community around values of mindfulness, patience, and courageousness and to create positive vibrations, peace, and comfort in this existence.
Find her newest album: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/comebacksandy/forexample-2
Listen on to her music on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2XMeOjeA1xkaWPjuuO7xqA
Craig Inzana: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to the happy year here podcast, where we share tools, techniques, and ideas to help us all live more fulfilling lives. In today’s episode, we have Come Back Sandy here in the studio with us, and she’s going to share a little bit about her message, what she’s doing and how she chases her dreams
Sandy Irwin: [00:00:17] well, thank you so much, Craig, for having me here today, a little bit about myself, just to give you a brief description. So everyone knows. Like you said, my name is Come Back Sandy. I am a local music artist and humanitarian, but what I like to do is create music that connects with people. I like building community, building relationships, working on communication with the Omaha community.
And I am just here to experience life and make things better for other people.
Craig Inzana: [00:00:49] I think you’re doing that already. So, I mean, the way I found out about you was I’m actually the first time I saw your performance at Shangri-La you were playing, or you did a verse with linear symmetry, which is a local, like EDM group here.
That was like, you’re just energy is, is very like, Oh, okay. She’s. Got this really positive. We talk a lot about on the show, how, you know, just having a positive experience with life in and of itself, even if you’re not out there doing really big things, it’s awesome to do that. But even just living your own life in a positive way, trying to heal yourself and, you know, make sure those relations chips around you and the way that you interact with people and the energy you bring to those interactions are positive and good.
That is contagious. So it’s like. Anybody that I meet that has that I kind of want to talk to and learn a little bit more about how they got to where they’re at and what they’re doing in their life besides that. But so yeah, you were on like a big stage, obviously performing for a pretty decent amount of people.
And I’ve seen you perform here in Omaha a few times. I think I saw you in Lincoln and also with your band. Yeah. And that’s a newish thing. Right. So tell me, like, what’s your goals with your music and. how did you get to where you’re at now? And like, what are you looking to do with it in the future?
Sandy Irwin: [00:01:58] I think the big goal, the big picture with the music is to express ourselves.
I’ll say our cause of band ourselves to as many people as possible. so that means we would really love to travel around the world and play our music to people. That’s the biggest goal is just to get, to have that experience to be up on stage, creating a moment and experience, that everybody can be a part of.
So that’s kind of the big goal. I think you said what’s kind of led to that. Yeah.
Craig Inzana: [00:02:27] Yeah. How’d you get to where you’re at now.
Sandy Irwin: [00:02:28] Oh man.
Craig Inzana: [00:02:31] How long have you been doing music?
Sandy Irwin: [00:02:32] Yeah, so I started when I was 13. Oh, wow. Started rapping when I was 13. So I’m a lyricist and a singer songwriter. I only started as a lyricist because I was not confident in my singing voice up because you know, when I was little, I was never the best singer.
I love performing though. I love dancing. I wanted to be out in front of people on stage, but I never had the strongest voice and I would. Get turned down for certain things and it just, my confidence wasn’t there. So one year I decided to do something different for the talent show. Cause I had danced at every single talent show every year growing up.
And I was like, I love poetry. I had, since I was little and I was like, what can I do? That’s different this time. So I was like, I’m going to make up a rap. It happened to be about like the holiday season and Yeah, this is going back. I’m telling you like, like this is the birth of comeback, Sandy and Sandy, I think as a person.
So I made up a rap and I went out in front of, I was a seventh grader and went out in front of my whole middle school and I made the beat for it. It was terrible, but I made the beat for it. Went out there. Did the whole thing got about two thirds of the way through, and then I completely forgot the lyrics.
Craig Inzana: [00:03:50] Oh
Sandy Irwin: [00:03:51] yeah. And so I was 13, like, you know, it’s just like awkward and you want people to like, you know, and it’s like, it was, I was so terrified standing in front of my whole school. They started to do like the slow clap and I was like,
Craig Inzana: [00:04:06] and you’re like, I’m not done yet.
Sandy Irwin: [00:04:07] Yeah, it was so, so embarrassed. but I finished up, I finished it.
I. Somehow got back to where I needed to be, but guy was just so embarrassed. But after that, I decided that I needed to prove that th that I can do this. This is I needed to prove that I could make it through the whole song. So I went and wrote another one. I got out on stage, the following spring for the talent show, with a group.
And I did it and it was like, okay, redeemed myself. I felt like, I don’t think anyone else actually really care.
Craig Inzana: [00:04:41] Same thing is a lot of times when we have these little like failures and obviously when you’re young, they’re really impacted. I mean, I think they’re pretty, they can devastate people even at an older age when you try something new.
Yeah. So it’s, it’s cool. It’s interesting. Like what makes some people. Get that sensibility of like, I got to prove myself now. And some people are just like, well, that was a dumb idea. I should never do that again. Yeah.
Sandy Irwin: [00:05:03] Yeah. It is interesting because I think that’s something that must have been instilled in me because it’s pretty easy just to say, Oh, I’m going to quit.
You know, it’s like, that’s the easy thing to do and that’s okay. It’s not like necessarily a bad thing, but yeah, it must have just been instilled in me to keep going. Yeah. To keep. Yeah. It’s just something that’s part of me. I think it’s part of my, my parents and my grandparents. And that’s just something that’s been passed through the generations to me because they are all that way.
So yeah, I got back up. Did it, I decided it was something I really liked. People seem to like it, they thought it was, I guess, cute for a while. Like in high school it was like cute. Cause it was kind of surprised.
Craig Inzana: [00:05:43] Yeah. When at that time there weren’t really a lot of like female lyricists that yeah.
Sandy Irwin: [00:05:48] Especially in Carney, Nebraska. Oh, it was probably the only one. Yeah. That I know of. Right. At that point. For a long time. And so I think people thought it was cute, but I took it pretty seriously to an extent when I was in high school, I did the talent show every year, like two, two times a year. I’d do the talent show,
Craig Inzana: [00:06:08] I guess the rappers started.
Sandy Irwin: [00:06:09] Really? Yeah. That’s dope.
Craig Inzana: [00:06:11] Yeah. He only did talents shows until his, he did his, acid rap mix tape. When he graduated high school,
Sandy Irwin: [00:06:17] how did he get all those? Big people on it. That’s
Craig Inzana: [00:06:20] what I see from Chicago.
Sandy Irwin: [00:06:22] Yeah. That’s true. All connected. That’s true. They all know
Craig Inzana: [00:06:24] each other.
Sandy Irwin: [00:06:25] Yeah.
Craig Inzana: [00:06:26] Chicago’s got like such a deep roots to like, I mean, so closely connected to like Kanye and.
All of these, like other kind of smaller time rappers that came up behind Kanye and then, you know, so yeah. I’m sure someone had their eye on him and was like, Oh, I heard you at that talent show.
Sandy Irwin: [00:06:41] Right. Right. Isn’t that crazy? How everybody’s story unfolds in such a unique and different way? And you never really know how your story is going to unfold.
Craig Inzana: [00:06:51] Yeah. It’s, it’s difficult. You have to be okay with that.
Sandy Irwin: [00:06:54] Yeah.
Craig Inzana: [00:06:55] Yeah. It’s like such a hard balance of wanting to ha I mean, I’m a creative too, so like it’s such a hard balance of like having a specific kind of mission or goal, but also being okay with the fact that it’s probably not going to work out the way that you think it is, or at least it’s not going to the path is not going to be the way that you think it is.
It’s probably going to be. Way harder. First of all, I learned that pretty quickly in the movie making industry. Like it is way harder than I thought. Yeah. It was ever going to be when I was younger. And there’s a lot of. Pieces of it that you don’t really even think of? Like, for me in creativity, like once I started making stuff and people started noticing it, then I started realizing that I had kind of a responsibility to inclusion and social responsibility of like what I was putting on screen.
And the more people that watched it, the more that responsibility mattered. And I kind of, haven’t made a lot of stuff since then. Cause I’m freaking out about it, but. It’s an important thing, you know, but it’s, it’s interesting that that’s something I literally never comprehended when I was studying to be a filmmaker
Sandy Irwin: [00:07:54] is difficult.
It’s like until you really take it seriously. And until you, you accept that you do have that responsibility. If you’re going to put art out into the world or that you can have that responsibility, you can take advantage of it. Yeah, it is really it’s diff that, that makes it more difficult. Yeah, I think you’re right.
But yeah, I feel like I didn’t really take myself seriously continuing kind of like how I got to where I was
Craig Inzana: [00:08:21] at what point were you like? This is something that I want to make my career.
Sandy Irwin: [00:08:27] Right. So I think I was, when I was 19, I started riding better. But I still wasn’t convinced that I was that good at it, but I started writing things that were actually making people think, and people are like, Whoa, that’s, that’s pretty good.
Like you should maybe perform that or do more. So I think when I was 20, 21, I started getting the idea. But I wasn’t sure yet, because I was still in school trying to figure it out. I was in school for psychology. I started premed and went to business and then psychology. Cause I didn’t know what I wanted to do.
And then my senior year, so when I was 22, I think that’s when I was like, I can do this. And that’s when camp come back, Sandy came about and yeah, it was spring of my senior year. I put up. Poster up on my door that said, that’s it. I am come back Sandy, because I couldn’t believe it myself. Like I had to like step into that being or step into that person because I just wasn’t quite there yet.
And so I just read that sign every day. I am coming back, Sandy, every day I woke up, I am come back Sandy. And as I started to. Believe it more and more. I think that’s when I was like, okay, I can make this a career. So after I graduated, I was like, I’m going to move to the next, a bigger place in Nebraska.
Cause I wasn’t ready to,
Craig Inzana: [00:09:50] where were you at? I was in Lincoln.
Sandy Irwin: [00:09:52] Yeah. So it was Carney Lincoln. And then Omaha.
Craig Inzana: [00:09:55] And I’m from Nebraska or whatever. I have no clue.
Sandy Irwin: [00:09:58] Yeah. So basically, if you don’t know, Barney is central Nebraska. I moved a little further East to Lincoln, which is where our universe, one of our universities is.
Craig Inzana: [00:10:09] It’s a city, but it’s a small
Sandy Irwin: [00:10:10] city. It’s our capital city. Yeah. But it’s smaller than Omaha. So. Lincoln’s like 200,000. Carney’s like 30,000 Omaha. Metro. It’s like a million
Craig Inzana: [00:10:19] a little over a million now.
Sandy Irwin: [00:10:20] Yeah. So if you kind of get that
Craig Inzana: [00:10:23] first one you’re from like Los Angeles, you’re like this little small town,
Sandy Irwin: [00:10:27] so yeah, it was the next step.
In the process. I came here looking to make it my career. So that’s when I jumped into the music scene, started to talk to other local artists, other creatives in town. And I started to build what is now, come back Sandy to gain a S a, I don’t know what you would call it like a base following here in Omaha,
Craig Inzana: [00:10:49] your fan, your core, your fan base.
Sandy Irwin: [00:10:53] So my core group of. Fans and friends and family.
Craig Inzana: [00:10:56] Yeah. Well, and that’s what I think is so special about kind of the type of music you do, which is very, you know, there’s a whole genre, like it’s not even a genre, it’s like a feel right. Of like the type of, you know, I’d just say like a type of bands that play at Shangri-La right.
Or like groups, the type of musicians that attracts the positive. Music music, it’s healing music in some way, inspiring us to be better versions of ourselves, socially conscious, that kind of stuff. It doesn’t need. The genre is kind of irrelevant. It’s what is it? The message of the music?
Sandy Irwin: [00:11:25] That’s true. Yeah, because the genre is it kind of, it is probably like an alternative hip hop right now.
Come back, Sandy. That project is, but it’s morphing and changing and it’s becoming something very new, but yeah, it’s definitely about the lyrics and the content and, It’s my experience and how I see the world. And, what you come to find is that a lot of people feel that way too, which is the beautiful part about music.
It brings people to
Craig Inzana: [00:11:51] yeah. Any kind of art culture does like, and it’s, and then when you’re, you know, you find a tribe that way, whether it’s through mutual appreciation of certain musicians or art, or by creating it, creating, it’s kind of like putting this beacon out and saying like, Come to me, if you agree, we’ll just gather and it’s so inspiring, you know, that’s why those music festivals are so inspiring because just surrounded by people that all have the same similar shared vision of what the world can be.
Sandy Irwin: [00:12:21] Yeah. That’s something I can’t wait to do. So taking it further now, cause I feel like we got up to like, Present moment in a way, like, I think part of the question was where you’re going to take it in the future. That’s exactly what I want to do. I want to be at festivals. Yeah. Jeremy, I want to be in stadiums.
Yeah. Jamming out with thousands of people connecting in that moment. Like that is the goal. Like just, I always think about it in Australia way of like looking down on like we’re up in, so there’s an observer, like up in the sky looking down and there’s all these humans just kind of like squiggling and moving around together and like how weird, but cool and exciting that is right.
Gus, just dancing together and singing together. It’s just like, to me, very pure and very natural. It’s like a natural thing for us to do. Absolutely.
Craig Inzana: [00:13:12] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There’s a connection that happens there that, I mean, humans have been dancing since the beginning of like, I mean, probably before we were even humans, we were dancing or you believe that conception of human.
Sandy Irwin: [00:13:24] making noises and communicating through that.
Craig Inzana: [00:13:27] Yeah. Singing and dancing. I feel like we were probably singing like grunts and stuff before we even had language.
Sandy Irwin: [00:13:33] Yeah. We definitely, I don’t really know the history or what they
Craig Inzana: [00:13:36] think about it, but yeah. Yeah, there’s just such a, like a, you know, you don’t have to, you know, spoken word can connect us in such a real way, but it’s just, it’s the energy of it.
It’s like when you’re in a good way place and most people, when they’re dancing, they’re feeling in a good place, like feeling connected to the people around them. And there’s like, I honestly, I never did until earlier this year, earlier last year out of music Fest, and just something clicked and it was like, I’m a person that dances now and now I love it.
And it’s like, and I love feeling that connection through, with people in the crowd and in myself, like, it just makes me feel good. Right. It’s like such a release of like tension literally, physically. Like it’s good for your body to dance, but it’s also like spiritually, I think a really good healing medicine in its own way.
Sandy Irwin: [00:14:23] Yeah. Dancing is amazing. I want to implement that into what I do. I want to definitely put dance into whatever I do. And then like with that, I was thinking while you were talking, talking to was like, not only dance that connects us, it’s in those like happy moments, because I think that’s totally part of it.
And the positive, that part. And you spoke about like healing and I think the. Sad moments and the crying together and the, the experience of suffering, or remembering your suffering and then relating to other people in your suffering and help heal you.
Craig Inzana: [00:15:02] Yeah. Yeah, because it can feel so alone, you know, like whatever sadness you’re doing, especially like a lack of self love is something that so many of us suffer from.
And like, we feel like everyone else is fine. And I just hate myself. I can’t love myself. And then I. I don’t know if you know, Tubby love and Amber Lilly, they did a, they have that one song. That’s like something about loving yourself. Oh, I am already enough. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Man, that song like singing
Sandy Irwin: [00:15:27] that song, I know, really know from them
Craig Inzana: [00:15:30] is looking around, singing it together and like, he’s singing it too.
And then he’s like, now sing it with an eye instead of a use. So you’re the one saying it to yourself and everyone’s saying everyone’s bawling, crying, and we’re all, like, we all feel the same emotion. And then that’s such a cathartic, like connection, like you said, through. Our shared suffering because all humans suffer.
Yes, we do. As part of human nature, fortunately, or unfortunately, or it just is what it is, but that can bring us together too. Yeah.
Sandy Irwin: [00:15:56] Yeah. Cause like, even like my glove who I’m a huge fan of, he had that moment where he just expressed how he was feeling and that just like, I think touched everybody. He just told us what he was going through.
And to me, that was like the moment of the whole thing. I’m talking about a Shangri-La festival in Minnesota, but like, that was the moment of the whole thing, I think, because it was very real and authentic because I think a lot of times we can kind of cover up some of these things with the positive and the peace and the love, which is completely.
We need that stuff, but in order to heal, it’s like, you’ve got to, you got to look at that, the suffering and the pain, you got to look at it and you got to accept that it’s there and then he can bring forth.
Craig Inzana: [00:16:45] Yeah. You got to shine a light on it
Sandy Irwin: [00:16:47] and you can’t even know it hurts.
Craig Inzana: [00:16:48] Yeah, it does
Sandy Irwin: [00:16:49] really sick
Craig Inzana: [00:16:50] sometimes.
Sandy Irwin: [00:16:51] So then I try to do, within my own music is just, just to share my experience good or bad, and then just relate. It’s all about just relating to people and I can really ease suffering yeah. Music and he’s suffering in that way.
Craig Inzana: [00:17:06] Yeah. I think that the most, we feel. The most suffering when we feel alone and isolated.
So anything that brings us together. Yeah. It has a positive effect on our ability to cope, which is so important because bad things are gonna happen to everybody. Yes. And relatively, you know, like what we consider bad things now might be horrible. There’s horrible things still happening to people. But in comparison to what was happening a hundred years ago, a thousand years ago, like we have it made, but.
It doesn’t make the suffering any less real. And so like being able to relate to other people through that allows us to. Yeah, I have that sense of connection and, and know that we’re not alone. Cause it’s like we can conquer anything when we know that we’re not.
Sandy Irwin: [00:17:49] Yeah. And I feel like going off of that, like part of that, my message is that, and it is mindfulness becoming a more mindful community in society and it starts with the individual.
And, I think that all comes down to, to the breath and just breathing, and focusing on that. And then I feel connected to everything in that the moment, and I don’t feel alone. So I think even when you are alone, physically, you don’t have to be lonely. Yeah, but that takes practice. That’s not, that’s not something you just snap your fingers and say, Oh, I’m not lonely anymore.
I took a deep breath. Like that’s not how
Craig Inzana: [00:18:29] it works. Like people think, I mean, we’ve talked about this on the show a lot and different mindfulness practices. I’ve interviewed some people about it already. And. you know, it’s people think like how hard could that be? Yeah. And then they try it. It’s like, Oh, this is a lot harder than it seems.
It’s also not as impossible as some people, when they sit down on a mat and they try to do some, like focus on the breath. Yeah. Really. Beginning of mindfulness meditation, they’ll get frustrated because every five seconds their mind wanders. And they’ll say, I can’t do this. I can’t meditate. I can’t be mindful.
And it’s like, that’s not. You’re not doing it wrong. Like you’re noticing that your mind’s one, that’s the first step. And then it’s just to bring it back to that breath. Start again, try again. And as you do it over and over and over and over again, as with anything you get better at it, you’re training your attention.
You’re training that mindfulness let’s call it. That’s why it’s called a practice. Yes. And you got to practice. Same thing with music. It’s the same thing with art. It’s the same thing with any skill you got to practice it. You’re going to suck at it first. You’re not going to be great. You’re going to forget your lines halfway through your song and you just got to say, okay, this is worthwhile enough that I need to show back up and try it again.
Sandy Irwin: [00:19:38] Exactly. And that’s comes back to resilience and just, being in the, being kind to yourself,
Craig Inzana: [00:19:43] because self compassion, you have to
Sandy Irwin: [00:19:45] be nice to yourself. It’s like, you’re not going to go around. I mean, some people do this, but that’s just because they’re doing it to themselves, but you’re not going to go around telling people for the littlest things.
They make a mistake on it. You’re a terrible person. We don’t deserve anything. I’m not going to do that. So why are you doing it to yourself? And you got to catch yourself doing it and you gotta be gentle. You just gotta be gentle with yourself because like our ideas of who we can be are huge sometimes.
And, and, the way we’re supposed to be perfect in our society and the way we’re supposed to be the best in our society can like hurt us because we can never live up to those standards. And we don’t need to live up to those standards because. They’re just not realistic.
Craig Inzana: [00:20:29] Yeah. We’re already like, if you’re making progress, you’re making progress and that’s good.
You know, like there’s, it’s, it’s sometimes a difficult balance between that self compassion and then balancing that with some kind of ambition. But like, I think, especially in the United States, we could use a lot more self compassion and just compassionate in general for other people as well. Like we push so hard.
And like you get more done and you do better work when you’re coming from a better mental state, you know, like just taking that break or whatever you need and like saying, Oh, it’s okay. Or like, accepting like, Oh, I messed this up. That you know is expected. I’m new at this. I’m not going to be good at a day one.
So let me show up again tomorrow and try it again. I’ll maybe get a little bit better and then, you know, I’m still not where I want to be, but I’m getting a little bit better each time. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And it’s beautiful to watch that journey. It’s exciting. Then once you start to see, you gotta at least put the work in, like for a couple of weeks with literally anything before you start seeing any progress.
Once you start to see that progress, at least in my experience, it just like takes off because it’s like, Oh, okay. I can keep. You know, it’s a rewarding and exciting at that point.
Sandy Irwin: [00:21:39] Yeah. It’s like exponential growth is kind of like, like you were saying, it’s, more self-disciplined meets compassion and it’s like finding that balance between it’s really hard.
It’s really hard. But if you’re aware of it, I think you’re already 10 steps ahead. Yeah, absolutely. So if you’re trying, I don’t see what can stop you, you know, just building that support system around you that can help and. Yeah, setting goals. I know we talked about that earlier, creating small tasks every day for yourself.
Instead of being like I’m going to finish a whole album in a week. It’s like, it’s not realistic that, you know, it’s, it’s setting small goals and accomplishing. Those and telling yourself you did a good job after every single one you did Pat yourself on the back, right? No matter how, like, even if it’s just like getting up to make your bed kind of a thing or going to the grocery store, I have to give myself a Pat on the back.
Every time I do it, because I really don’t.
Craig Inzana: [00:22:38] Yeah, I don’t want to do like with laundry. I don’t want to do laundry, but when I do, I’m like, I feel really good once it’s done. I’m like, wow, you did it. Yeah. You did that thing that no one wants to do, but
Sandy Irwin: [00:22:46] yeah, it’s almost, to me, I felt like I’m just, almost speaking to a child in a sense of I’m speaking to myself throughout the day, because I hear myself say some mean stuff to myself.
Like I have to be like, no, like. That’s not true. That wasn’t nice. Like let’s flip that and turn that into something that’s productive and that actually helps you, like it’s okay. You’re doing great. Like, I feel like I’m talking to,
Craig Inzana: [00:23:13] like, there’s definitely in psychology. A lot of your self talk is developed as a child.
Like, do you feel safe in your environment? Do you feel like people are out to get you? Do you feel like you’re capable or you’re not capable? Like all of those things are developed. As a child. So it’s almost like you have this child in your head talking to yourself, putting yourself down, whatever, and then you have to develop that kind of more mature voice, you know, smooth things over and kind of motivate yourself and have that self compassion and say like, it’s okay.
Like you’re safe here, you know?
Sandy Irwin: [00:23:41] Exactly. Exactly. I feel like, you know, a lot about this. This is really cool.
Craig Inzana: [00:23:45] I try, I care a lot about it.
Sandy Irwin: [00:23:47] So what do you do? Just listen to a lot of people speak or do you like read or like, how do you
Craig Inzana: [00:23:52] all of the above and live I’ve I’ve suffered a lot. Just mostly self-inflicted through self sabotage and addiction and, depression.
And that stuff has helped me. Learn a lot of these tools and techniques and ideas, as I say, let me show like, and that’s what I started the show for in the first place was to kind of try to share those things and then interview other people that have seemed to be doing a good job at, at managing life.
You know, this is so hard. So many of us, even people that, you know, people that are like. Some of the people that I see that are career successful, have some of the worst mental States out of anyone I’ve ever met. And it’s sad because they’ve accomplished so much and they still can’t be happy with themselves.
And I wanted to find out, you know, why. And then I think I experienced that. I was someone that people looked at it and they said, you’re so accomplished. You do all these things, you, whatever. But I was miserable and I was using drugs and alcohol too cope with it. And I knew that wasn’t healthy and it was just making it worse.
So learning all of those things over time. Through reading books, listening to podcasts, going to therapy meetings, all kinds of different healers of different types and listening just to what they do and how they’re, you know, doing their work and how they come upon it. Cause almost everybody started out that way.
They experienced some kind of suffering and they learned how to heal it in this way selves. And then there’s just kind of the straw to then share that. With other people that are maybe, you know, still on their journey to get there. And we’re all constantly on our journey, but you know, people that are maybe just starting their journey of self awareness and self discovery and self growth, it’s such an awesome thing to be able to do.
Sandy Irwin: [00:25:20] That’s awesome. I can relate. Totally can relate to that from where I was three, four years ago to where I am now is a huge change. And I was like, you were from the outside. It was like, Oh, you know, I’ve got. A B and C and things are going well for me, but on the inside of just not good stuff. And I was able to put on a smile and do what I needed to do to make people think I was the perfect person.
Craig Inzana: [00:25:51] Yeah.
Sandy Irwin: [00:25:52] Right when no, it was. Depression and anxiety and, and abusing substances and toxic relationship relationships. just all of that, using that to distract myself from what truly was going on was something very deep inside of me that I had to overcome.
Craig Inzana: [00:26:10] Do you feel like pursuing your art, your, your, your expression has helped that.
Sandy Irwin: [00:26:16] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Every time it’s therapy, it gets me into my flow state. So whether I’m riding or playing, it just helps me to be more present. Like you just are going, you’re just flowing with everything that, that is at that point, just doing, being so, and those are the moments that heal me the most. I think when I can get into that state of flow and just be.
And not have to be so such a separate entity from everything that is happening.
Craig Inzana: [00:26:47] Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for joining the show today. I’m happy you’re here.
Sandy Irwin: [00:26:53] Yeah. Thank you for having me. This is super cool.
Craig Inzana: [00:26:56] Yeah, I’m really glad it was a good conversation. Is there anything you’d like to add before you go?
maybe tell people where they can find you online.
Sandy Irwin: [00:27:03] Yeah, I would love to. So you can find me at come back, Sandy on all platforms. you can find me on Spotify, iTunes, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, every, all of the major platforms with music. I am putting out a project I haven’t officially announced.
Yet. I don’t know when this is coming out. So I’m putting out an album. it’s all of the work I’ve done over the past couple of years, finally, in one project, please check it out. You’ll see if you follow me on social media, I’ll keep you updated. I’m so excited about it. I hope it helps people. I hope I can relate to people through it and, Yeah, I’m really looking forward to the future and, and, yeah.
Thank you so much for inviting me. Yeah.
Craig Inzana: [00:27:42] Thank you so much for coming. I’ll eat that stuff down in the show notes below as well, so people can easily find them and yeah. Go check her out on social media. Give her a follow. We just did a little Instagram story before we started this. So, yeah. So thank you so much for coming and thanks for sharing your positivity and your expression with the world.
Sandy Irwin: [00:28:02] Cool. Thank you.