Mark Kumar is a Lifestyle Entrepreneur. He coaches entrepreneurs run a profitable online business by sharing their own advice. Mark currently runs Simple Podcast Cloud, a one-stop solution for podcast hosting.
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Mindset Secrets That Will Help You Get Results – Transcription
Craig Inzana: [00:00:00] hello and welcome to the Happy You Are Here Podcast. Today. We have Mark Kumar who is a lifestyle entrepreneur entrepreneur who helps entrepreneurs run profitable online businesses by sharing their own advice. So thanks for joining us, Mark, why don’t you tell us a little bit more about what you do.
Mark Kumar: [00:00:20] Oh, first of all, thank you so much for having me on your show is truly, is a pleasure.
I know you’re going to have a really good conversation. That’s going to help your listeners take care of business to the next level. So just a little bit about myself. Uh, I’m a lifestyle entrepreneur and those of you who may not know what a lifestyle entrepreneur is, is a person who is in industry that he actually absolutely loves.
And then creates a business out of that rather than loving your business. You love what you do and you create a business out of that. So I have been to four different industries that were very first one was the photography industry where, which is a very interesting story, right? Because I got myself a camera for one Christmas present, and then I fell in love with photography, started taking pictures and then.
Sooner or later five family member found out that like, Hey, more cause of camera. And he is a professional photographer. I’m like, I am not professional photographer. I just have a camera that looks professional. That’s about it, but I am no means possible a professional photographer, but. Like thing goes, if it looks like professional, you must be a professionally.
Oh. So then my family members start telling other people like, Hey, Mark is a professional photographer. If you need a photographer, hire him. And at that time I had no experience whatsoever. I was in the fact that I had like a decent, regular, I think it was a Canon rebel XTR or XD something. And that’s all I had.
And then one day I got a call from a friend or my family members saying, Hey, we want to hire you. For our event. And that’s the sound that everyone wants to hear. I want to hire you, meaning I want to give you money, provide you a services. And the very, the very first thing that came to my mind was like, Wow.
First of all. Wow, amazing. That was the first thing. Second thing, I was like, I’m scared. Like there was no tomorrow because I don’t know what I’m doing and I don’t have any skills. So I get to the, this, this mindset. Like, I am not good enough. I don’t know if I’m going to be able to take a pictures. The light is going to be good.
I am scared out of my blah, blah, blah. I don’t know what I’m going to be doing. So I’m like, okay. I’m glad that defined me. And then I will go there, do my best. And that’s all. That was my plan. So I went there, did my best. And while I was taking pictures, at one point I caught myself. I was like, literally a kid in a candy store.
And that’s when I realized like, wow, If I could do this seven days a week, or however many days that I want to work, that would be so amazing. And that’s what I did. That’s what the whole entrepreneurial bug got planted in my head. I’m like, I want to learn how to do this. So from that point on. I started actually going to a courses where PR professional photographers taught me how to pose and everything else.
So I did that. I took a lot of courses online and then, then accumulated all this knowledge. I’m like, I’m not do something. So first thing, what I did was I went into the portrait, a portrait photography world, where I took pictures of the people. And then I went to a wedding. And then I went to fashion. So all that photography was like humiliation of so much knowledge and it was so successful and a lot of be second, or it was amazing.
And I was like, this is great. And I want to continue to do this. And then what I wanted to do was like, I was doing all of that. But I didn’t have a website whatsoever. And then I was like, I just, this is great. You know, I’m going to people showing my wedding albums, like, Hey, here’s my wedding. Here’s my work.
But it has to be a better and easier way to showcase your website. I mean, your work, like, okay, I need a website. And then that’s where next entry industry came in, where I literally taught myself a HTML. Charlie’s script CSS. I’m talking ground up, not WordPress, one, like literally from scratch. And then for some odd reason, even though I wasn’t really good at photography, when I went to a different industry, I got to the point where like, okay, feeling this feeling again, it’s like, What makes me the person who is like, can do this stuff, crank, read a website like this imposter syndrome or negatives, whatever you want to call it.
Like what gives me hope? Who gives me the right? The power, a toilet is a you and do it. And that I went to a couple of months with down. Like, I don’t know, because I’m like, I can hire somebody and they will do it because they are professional. I am not professional by all means. I don’t know anything. So at that point, I realized like, you know, it’s like you have a blank canvas, you can literally paint anything with it on it.
And then I was like, okay. I realized that I, I don’t know, but if I could just literally I would learn one thing one day and continue that, and I will know a lot more in the next 60 days than some of the professionals who’ve been doing it. That’s when I was like, I’m going to go full blown in it. And that’s when I started learning it.
I’d be single day. I would just, just literally step be on the computer, type it away, programming learning, and you’d find YouTube, YouTube videos literally. And then also taking the courses online and a Umi and all those things. And then actually went on a one on one session with the coaching sessions, or like, if I want to get ahead in life, why not hire somebody who was already there?
Who could teach me all the secrets? Right. Yeah. That’s what it is. I still like law. So I learned how to create all the website and everything else within like six months, I think, which is great. And then at that time, same thing happened to mile, uh, website world. What happened to him? Photography. Hey, Mark knows about computer.
He could build your website. I’m like, okay, great. So I did that. So that’s, so the point being is like, I, because I was like four different ministry. Every single industry that I went to, I have noticed not only just spoke with myself, other people, it’s the same pattern. The pattern is like one, when you decided like, I want to go in here, the first nest thing that comes up is like, Hey, I am not good enough.
Well, who gives me the authority? The one thing that I noticed, like you are the only one who’s going to give you the authority, the power, the right to say you are good enough to move forward. Yeah,
Craig Inzana: [00:06:51] absolutely. I feel like that’s true in so many different ways and that applies to more than just business. I mean, we all kind of deal with that imposter syndrome quite a bit.
Uh, and you know, I think that not all the listeners of this show are necessarily entrepreneurs, but I think that you can still learn a lot from that kind of. You know, I want to learn something and like what gives me the right to know about that thing? It is, it’s just the effort that you put in to go learn that thing.
And it’s like, it’s all, we’re very lucky that it’s all accessible to us these days. So, um, I’m really interested in your health journey that you went through also. And then, and then you talked about developing a system and kind of how you came to, uh, you know, develop that kind of systematic
Mark Kumar: [00:07:35] thinking. Oh, yeah.
I mean, that’s so actually that’s a really good question. I’m so glad you asked that because. That process alone was like crucial to my personal development because people, like you said, someone who are business people, they may not relate to it, but the personal level it’s the same damn system. So, because I was so busy because I was sitting behind the computer for like eight, 10, 12 hours per day, seven days a week, I started to gain a lot of weight.
I’m talking when I went up to 270 pounds and I was wearing two XL shirt. I’m 42 sides. Pants. And if you ever been that big, no, it is not easy to Maura. And my one meal while I was at that weight was an extra large pepperoni and two liter of Coke with 10 wings and 10 about barbecue wings on the side, that was one meal.
Imagine eating their meal three times a day. Like your arteries, your heart rate, like crazy. I mean, like at one point in time, I got to the point where like I was having a hard time finding breathe, walk around, just do normal things, whatever. And then finally decided that I’m going to go and get healthy.
Went to the gym. The trainer asked me a basic cushions to saying like, what is your family history? So on and so forth. I told that person. And then she said that if you continue on this path, You’re gonna cut literally 10 years of your life. And you are going to be common diabetes diabetic, just like your parents, because our parents have diabetes.
And at that point, that scare the hell out. I mean, like, I do want to shorten my life just because of the silly food that I like. I’m willing to keep that up. So at that point I went in there. And it’s headed with the same mindset. It’s like this pattern, like I said, once you go in there, when you decide it first few days, let’s say, first two weeks, you are really fired up.
You’re motivated. Is that something new? You haven’t tried it. You’re like, yes, I could do this. I could do this. I could do this. And then after the motivation level goes down, that’s when the reality sets in, because that’s when you actually have to put in the work. And put in the work sometime it works sometime.
It doesn’t. The key thing that I learned was that the thing that doesn’t work don’t develop one. I just let it go because that’s what’s life is you want to feel more times then you succeed. But when you finally do succeed, right. Accumulation of all those failures, they’re going to add up so much. Then when you succeed, you’re going to succeed so big that you won’t even realize it.
It’s like, wow. People are like, yeah, that guy he’s, he’s a successful person. I’m like, yeah, I am. I’m successful right now about when I was putting in the trenches, putting the hard work. Yeah. Fairly be single day. Normally, if I’m going to get to where I am, it’s like, Damn. So that’s what, it was
Craig Inzana: [00:10:40] hard to get people to understand that sometimes.
I mean, I see that from the perspective of, you know, I feel like a lot of my whole thing is living a fulfilled life. Right. And, uh, I feel that I’m there now pretty consistently most of the time, but I definitely was not. I struggled with addiction. I struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts and things.
Uh, and. You know, people don’t see that they see me now and they’re like, well, you’re just a happy person. So that’s not fair. You can’t give me advice on how to get to that point. And it’s like, no, I was there. And some of these, you know, if I can get you, I was like, I was in a much darker place than you are right now.
Like, trust me. If you put in the work, you can’t get out of it. You just have to choose to do that. And it’s hard whenever you. I think once you’ve had a couple of those things under your belt where you’ve done something that you didn’t know how to do, and then you learn how to do it. You realize how those failures, uh, you know, build you towards, uh, whatever your goal is that you’re, you’re going towards.
And then it’s easier to replicate that in a different space in your life. But when it’s, you know, the first time you’re doing that, maybe you’ve just kind of coasted through life to this point. Then it’s really hard. Especially the older you get to to make that transition. And it’s really like a it’s the growth mindset, right?
It’s that, it’s that mindset difference.
Mark Kumar: [00:11:58] Yeah. Just that’s that, I’m just, I’m so glad you brought that up because the mindset is the only thing and the very first thing that needs to happen, because if you don’t have the mindset, you will never move forward. And that’s why there are plenty of people out there in the world who are so negative or so look, this looks that life so negatively in their own life, but also they.
In fact that particular disease in a negative negativity disease to others, because they didn’t succeed for whatever reason, whether they or the limitation, or they didn’t have the right mindset or the resources at the time, then they were like, Hey, if I can’t do it, can’t do it either. But the other person who is trying to do it, they don’t know their resources.
They don’t know their capability. You know, to find example I can give you, is that, for example, let’s say from New York to LA a person goes like, let’s just. Personalized a little bit more. So let’s say if I go from New York, Take a plane and go to LA and fly here. If I go to the check in counter and they’re checking contract the agent behind a, gave me the meanest look and was so rude and striking from that point, I’m going to have a bad experience.
Like that agent was horrible. So if I’m like a positive person, I may ignore it. But some people are like, yeah, I’m just going to have a horrible time for now. Let’s say you go to your check in line or your security is right. And then. The person was scan you. They gave you a mean look as well. From that point, I’d be like, Oh my God, this is just not a good experience at this point.
Then you go wait in the line to get in the plane. And then when you hand in your ticket, you’re smiling and the Asian at that point maybe had a bad day, or what are the cases? They may not be like, Hey, give me your ticket off. You go literally as how rude would that be? Although they may not say, but I’m just saying hypothetical secret.
They say like, can you take it off? He goes, you go into the plane. And then at that point, If I ask you, how do you think my ex it says during that time, from the time entered, entering the airport, by the time I’m going into the airplane, horrible, that particular Asian was horrible. The security guard was horrible.
The lady who would check me is also, therefore I will never fly in that stupid airplane. That’s what I would tell everybody else. That’s generalizing the whole thing. That’s what most people do at least 65% of people. They generalized holding. Like, Hey, I felt because, you know, I had a bad experience. You should totally boycott that particular airline because you are going to have the bad experience as well.
But they don’t realize is like, it’s possible that those three people who you encounter. They just had a bad day. Did you didn’t know how to do it? So, so
Craig Inzana: [00:14:38] yeah, so much of it is luck, right? Like, and if you get unlucky a few times in a row, If you allow that to beat you up and just like, you know, make you give up, then, then you’re going to go through life being jaded.
And I see that a lot in the film industry, I used to work as a filmmaker and made some movies and stuff. And like, there are so many jaded people in that industry. Uh, and I left cause I was, I felt like I was starting to become one of them because I had some wins. And then I had a series of like three or four, pretty big glasses, big projects that fell apart that, you know, money was involved with and stuff.
And I was like, okay, Really feeling myself, getting jaded and, and kind of like angry about the work and I wasn’t enjoying it anymore. So it was like, okay, I just need to leave this. Uh, cause I realized that, but so many people don’t, so many people will sit there and they will tell every young filmmaker that this industry sucks.
And so everyone’s there to screw you over and, and no one knows how to do any real hard work and like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, which is just not true. There’s sure there’s plenty of people like that. And there’s plenty of people that are willing to try to take your money stuff. But
Mark Kumar: [00:15:44] you know, what, what I want to point point at is like, I’m so glad to set that because not that validates that it’s just not one industry has a human.
Kind all the parts. As a matter of fact, you’ve no matter what the, in the film industry of photography software, it doesn’t matter. It’s in every single industry. So the next question that begs to be asked is like, what do you do about it when you encounter that person? What I did was when I was like going through the process, it was like, Hey, I’m going to ask you one question and one question, and then after that, I’m gonna keep my mouth shut.
I sit back and let you finish that particular. Give me the answer to that question. Let’s say you told me that you are not going to fail. I mean, you are going to fail in that industry or whatever that thing is, like, first thing was like, why do you feel like I’m going to fail? And then how to say anything?
And I sit back and relax, and then whatever that comes out of their mind is going to be solely based on their personal experience, whatever failure it is, which is a good thing. So that way, you know what not to do.
Craig Inzana: [00:16:45] Exactly. Yeah,
Mark Kumar: [00:16:47] exactly. Right. So step number one, step. Number two will be like, give me one good reason why I would succeed.
And then you show your Mark, sit back, relax. What that’s going to do for that person who is negative. It’s going to have a day or a half to shoot if their mind going from negative to the positive direction.
Craig Inzana: [00:17:08] Yeah,
Mark Kumar: [00:17:09] I love that. And then also the next time something happened there was telling you like, Hey, you’re going to fail, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But remember Joe, last time we had this conversation and ask you Remi one good reason why I was succeed or you flipped down on them. I call the flip the script and that’s why I was succeeded. And that personal sheriff, because no one wants to be wrong. No, one’s going to like, I was wrong. I was wrong. You know, no, one’s going to say that.
So they were just going to shut up and then you can move forward. Far far quicker than if you just have to deal with that person.
Craig Inzana: [00:17:40] That’s an interesting way to get around the negativity bias. I mean, humans have that negativity bias and some of us are more susceptible to it or, and others. And you know, some of us, the longer you allow that to dominate you the stronger and stronger it gets, and the positivity is kind of the same way.
It’s like edging this like trench in your mind where the neurons are firing, you know, so.
Mark Kumar: [00:18:03] If it’s a Frankie, I, you want to point that out because I’m so glad you brought that up because the whole pattern thing, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a negative or positive repetition of anything, it will continue.
For example, if you’re a negative person and somebody who’s a positive person, what’s the difference. They’re repeating the same thing. They’re repeating the positive, positive, positive, the negative person repeating it. Negative, negative, negative. So if you had the option or the choice to repeat. Which one would you do?
You would do the one that’s going to move, help you move towards your goal. And how would you know if you want me towards your goal? Let’s say your goal is to, I don’t know, I’m just gonna pick a different industry, a film industry, for example, uh, I want to finish my film by X amount of date. Let’s just say January, you started, I want to have a first scene or take or whatever you want to call that done by March.
Come February, are you getting close to getting done? If not do something else that will help you move forward, right?
Craig Inzana: [00:19:02] Yeah. I like how you talked about when you were saying, when you were learning the computer programming, the rebuilding websites, you know how you broke that down into if I learn something every day.
Cause I think that’s, that’s a lot of times anything that you’re learning, that’s new. Feel overwhelming or any big project that you’re working on. Right. So that’s important.
Mark Kumar: [00:19:22] Yeah. Can I do a case study with you? Cause I love this part of it. Give me an example and then I’ll break it down for you. Step by step.
How do you actually accomplish that to make sure that you move forward? Number one and number two, you’re happy by the time you get there.
Craig Inzana: [00:19:38] Oh, ah, it’s interesting. It’s hard for me to think off the top of my head. Something big though. Now I’ve already done that because
Mark Kumar: [00:19:45] it’s kind of, okay.
Craig Inzana: [00:19:47] Let’s just make something up.
Let’s say I’m trying to think of something that’s not necessarily business related. Just to give it a broader context. Like let’s say I want to,
Mark Kumar: [00:19:58] uh,
Craig Inzana: [00:20:00] Um, find employment. Let’s say, I, I don’t have a job and I want to find a job. Uh, that’s kind of a challenge for either of us to think about since both of us probably work for ourselves mostly.
Uh, but I think that’s an interesting concept. How would, how would we, uh, you know, help someone like that, break that into a more manageable steps.
Mark Kumar: [00:20:19] So let me ask you this question. Do you want to find a job or do you want to start a business?
Craig Inzana: [00:20:27] Let’s say someone wants to find a job. Cause I want to see how you react to that challenge.
Mark Kumar: [00:20:36] No, I love these. This is like really? It gets me off. So let’s say you want to find a job, right? So number one thing you want to do is like, what are you good at? Would you really, really good at? So what I do is I will put you to this midnight testers, what I call.
So basically what it means is let’s just say, what job do you want to look for? Let’s get very specific as office.
Craig Inzana: [00:20:56] Yeah, let’s say I, uh, I want to help people. I want a job where I can help people
Mark Kumar: [00:21:01] with what,
Craig Inzana: [00:21:03] um, I like to help people with, uh, maybe addiction problems.
Mark Kumar: [00:21:10] Does your mama? Awesome. Great. So that’s perfect.
So now we’re getting of Pacific. So let’s say the midnight test. If you could pass has been that test. You can get a job very quickly. The midnight test would be, are you really good at that? If I wake you up in the middle of the night and ask you, I have an addiction problem. I cannot seem to quit. I have tried everything.
What can I do? What’s the answer you will get. Yeah.
Craig Inzana: [00:21:44] Well, that’d be one quick, but yeah, that’s a good first step. That’s the first step. And then you have to quit.
Mark Kumar: [00:21:52] Yeah. Find help. So whatever answer you get. And that is midnight test. Meaning if I wake you up in the middle of the night and the first thing you’ll do, obviously you rub your eyes.
Like, what the hell are you talking about? Like whatever. And after you get over that first 10 seconds, they like, okay, Mark, this is what you do. Step one, step two, step three, step four, boom. That’s when you know, you are really good at task skill. Sure. And then from that point on, we can go on to finding a job.
So next thing we’ll be like, Hey, I know you want to help people get over their addiction. What have you done in the past where people can validate that whatever technique or skills that you have, they got result. Cause this there’s relatives, the only thing people are after. Right. So
Craig Inzana: [00:22:37] yeah, I find that, you know, yeah,
Mark Kumar: [00:22:40] go ahead.
Go ahead. I was going to say,
Craig Inzana: [00:22:44] uh, Oh, there’s definitely a delay going on. It’s so important, whether you’re looking for a job or you’re looking to improve. If you’re trying to get other people on board with something, whether you’re trying to start your own business or whether you’re trying to find employment, it’s like, how do you prove what have I done?
You know? And it doesn’t have to be big. It could be small if you’re, if you’re starting small, like what have I done? Cause that result, if you can, you can show someone that will then pay you to replicate that result and then build on it.
Mark Kumar: [00:23:14] Exactly. And then if you have, let’s say five people who have gotten result based on your system, you could say, or whatever you want to call it, we’ll just call it a system for now.
And then those people, the wealth of knowledge that you help them with. You can find a job by going to LinkedIn, obviously yes. Where the older people are. And right now at the time, I think, I think because of the time that we are currently live in this whole pandemic thing probably would be better if you thought your online coaching program, because that way you can help a lot of people.
A lot of people, as compared to, when you go to business, you be a little more challenging, but it’s possible. So LinkedIn definitely will be the very first resources you want to tap into it. And, you know, going look for where people are in the same industry. And let’s say you find somebody named Joe Schmoe and he’s an initial substance abuse and he’s a VP or something.
Last thing you want to do is go to Joe Schmoe. Hey, by the way, my name is Mark Kumar. I help people with substance abuse use here’s my resume. It’s like, uh, okay. I don’t know you, first of all, second of all, nice. You know, to put things in perspective for you, let’s say you and your girlfriend are going on a walk.
And you having a great time, you having a great time, your relationship is great. And all of a sudden, some guy comes up to you and say, Hey, give me $10. I need right now. What’s the first thing that’s going to come to your mind.
Craig Inzana: [00:24:51] Yeah. Like what,
Mark Kumar: [00:24:52] why exactly. So you don’t want to do that. So basically on LinkedIn, if you look for a job, especially if it’s what you want to do, Hey, my name is Mark Palmer and I am XXS.
Really nice meeting you. I mean, it’s not nice spinning because you haven’t met that person. You can say, my name is Mark Kumar. I help visuals were our substance use. I just want to say hello, you’d leave it at that. If you have some time, maybe I can pick your brain on something. We go expertise. You don’t ask for anything.
And then at that point person like, okay, Marcus, blah, blah, blah. And then next phase, if that person responds back to you, let’s be real. Let’s say you send 10 messages out of the 10 don’t expect to pick your reply for all 10, like hypothetical speaking. Yeah. You you’re really lucky if you get 10 responses.
Yeah. If you’re out of, out of 10, if you get two, that’s a great start because the other aides who did not respond. They’re probably not a good fit. The people who did respond to you, respond back to them and then open the dialogue. It’s like, it’s like what I say it opening a dialogue is like going on a date when the first time you go meet somebody in person, you don’t know that person.
And they don’t know you, which is a very good thing because at that point in time, both of you have respect. Each other and trust each other to some degree, a mutual trust you could say, which is great. And then if one, when you go on diverse day, right. And then what happens is the actions and the words that you use that will help you either make a mega credibility or diminish your credibility.
Meaning let’s say you are saying. I’ll give you an example of dog going on a date. One. My name is Joe and I’m dating Jennifer. I don’t know, hypothetically speaking. And I said, Hey, Jennifer, how are you doing? You look nice. Right? It’s very compliment. I mean, very complimentary statement and the Jefferson’s.
Thank you. And then after, soon as I say, you look nice and then I look bad, like whatever. And she sees me, I’m saying one thing, but body language is saying another one, which is not actually. Yeah, she was going to say this guy’s fake. He doesn’t literally means what he says. So the best thing, or the fastest way for you to build your mega credibility, just do what you say.
You’re going to do simple as that. If you cannot do it, say that too, because the negative will also help you build your mega credibility, because what happens is like, let’s say, if you ask me to do something, let’s say meet you on a Sunday afternoon, sometime I would like, Hey. That would be nice, but I can’t do it because I have something else in mind or have some of the plans something happened.
I cannot meet you, but I can meet you on the following Friday. At that point, you’re gonna be like, Hey, I understand, you know, you say you can’t, but let’s see what happened Friday. And next Friday I show up at that point in your mind, like, Hey, Marcus, reliable. So going back to the whole LinkedIn thing. So you tell the person who are you talking to?
Two people, uh, Hey, conversation wise. So let’s say if you want to meet them or send them any attention, catch me or documents or anything, what are the timeframe you tell them? That you’re going to tell them you’re going to send it, make sure you do that because that’s going to help you build your mega credibility.
Yeah. That’s, that’s, that’s
Craig Inzana: [00:28:21] such a huge thing. Like the, it, I mean, in general in life, like if you want people to like you do what you say you’re going to do, which sounds like such common sense, but I think there’s a lot of ways that a lot of us. Even in small ways, don’t do that. And don’t some of us don’t realize it.
No, it was me doing it. It’s something we’re working on. But, uh, you know, there’s definitely people that I know that, you know, will say, yeah, well, we’ll meet you. Like the worst thing you can do is waste someone’s time. That’s terrible. Like if you say. Like, Hey, let’s block off his time. Let’s hang out Friday.
Even if it’s just friends. Right, great. Let’s hang out Friday night, you block off Friday night. You tell other people that you don’t want to hang out because you’re going to hang out with so and so, and then, so, and so doesn’t show up on Friday and it’s like, cool. Well, I could have been hanging. I could have, I had other things I could be doing.
That’s terrible. And you should never do that to your friends. We should never do that to strangers, especially cause it’s a horrible first impression.
Mark Kumar: [00:29:15] Can I just say, add something to that? Yeah, absolutely. I’d take it a little more personal. There are two types of curability. One is with somebody else, whether it’s professional, personal, whatever, mega credibility with yourself.
And then if you follow that same concept yeah. With yourself, you will. I promise you whew or self confident. It’s going to go off the roof. And get all of your negative thoughts will go away. And yeah, I’d love to dig into it because let’s say, uh, I said to myself and you know, all of us have this internal dialogue with ourselves 24 seven.
It never stops. And let’s say Monday morning comes, I say by nine o’clock, I’m going to get X, Y, and Z finished. I said that to myself. So if I finished that by nine o’clock in a room in my office, if no one else sees it, I know I did it somewhere along the line inside of me. Yeah. I’m going to be like, yes, I did it.
I don’t know. It’s weird, but yeah, all of us, all of us have done that countless number of times, because what that will do is let’s say, you said yes, gesture and make sure you do do that because that’s small victory. It’s going to help you build another building block to move forward. And then next time around, let me ask you this question to you.
If I said to myself, I’m going to finish something at X time, what’s the likelihood of me actually accomplishing in that or feeling like I could accomplish.
Craig Inzana: [00:31:04] If you just did it, then it’s a high likelihood. Yeah. And it works the opposite way too. Where if I say like, I’m not going to eat this certain type of thing, because it’s bad for me.
And then I do it anyway, then it’s like, well, I told, even if it’s not something you told him, what else you told yourself? And then you did, you wrote you’re eroding that trust. How could someone that maybe has been eroding that trust a lot and maybe self sabotage is a lot or, um, you know, doesn’t follow through with their own word for themselves.
How can they start setting themselves on that right path? Cause it’s, it’s difficult maybe to, to make that transition when you feel like you can’t trust yourself.
Mark Kumar: [00:31:43] Oh, my God, I love this. I love this human psychology, the behavior, one of my favorite topics. And I spent so much time and learning about it, studying it, implying it and all that stuff.
So I absolutely love this kind of company. So somebody who has been on a negative path just stay. Right. So obviously, If you think about it from the personal and make a credibility thing, if I’m the person who never lived up to my own word with my internal self, if I say something, the first thing I’m like, I’m not going to do it.
Cause I haven’t done it in past. Look at my track record, look at my results. Right. So how do you flip that rock? Give you self very small thing. What I call us a 1% increment. So let’s say if. You which is nowadays on a digital age, everyone can do that for a very small thing. Let’s say all of us soon as we have, I have a cell phone, right.
As soon as somebody rings the phone or get a message instead of like, Hey, I want to look at my phone. I don’t know why, but we do. And that’s the thing, right? So on a Monday afternoon, five o’clock you’ll say to yourself for the next five minutes, I am not going to look at my point. 1%, five minutes, anyone would do it.
And then once you do that five minutes and then Tuesday come for the next 10 minutes. I am not going to look at my phone from five to five 10. So those two wins will help you move in the right direction or go into the positive track.
Craig Inzana: [00:33:13] Yeah. I love that. You got to start small. Sometimes we all have a tendency to think like, Oh, I’m going to, you know, make this massive change in my life.
And that’s totally relying on motivation and that will dry up really quickly. And then you’ll end up failing and prove yourself wrong. Yeah.
Mark Kumar: [00:33:30] Can I just say something about this whole motivational thing? I think the motivational is probably the worst drug people can take the worst drug because no matter how much have you have you want more of it?
Craig Inzana: [00:33:45] Yeah, it has diminishing results. Just like any other drug
Mark Kumar: [00:33:47] too. It never stops. You could have motivational, for example, let’s say you get motivated. What does the hell is the point of motivation pumps you up? And then five minutes later, you’re dry. That’s like a fake motivation actually successful. They don’t need motivation because they’re wood cells, their work diminish that are more visual because they know what they need to do.
And they just do it. Right. So it’s all state of mind.
Craig Inzana: [00:34:19] Yeah, absolutely. Okay. All right, Mark. I’m going to have to wrap things up. I really appreciate our conversation. I asked, absolutely loved what you have to say and your whole story. Um, if people want to learn more, you have a really great blog and podcast, where can they find all of that?
All right.
Mark Kumar: [00:34:36] So people who want to get in touch with me, they can go to Mark, mark.com. Okay. For my podcast at school, my name, which is Mark tomorrow. And then add the word podcast. I’ll be the first one.
Craig Inzana: [00:34:48] Awesome. I’ll add that all in the show notes down below as well. Thank you again. And I’m happy. You’re here.
