Lee Chambers is a workplace wellbeing consultant, life coach, and environmental psychologist working with businesses and people through improving their mindset, habits, sleep, and careers.
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After losing his entry level finance job in the 2008 crash, Lee started what would become a successful eCommerce business selling video games online. He leans on his love for video games when he talks about his coaching.
Throughout the episode we refer to improvement and problem solving through the lens of video games. We also discuss the valuable lessons and pitfalls that video games can offer people of any age.
He was hospitalized for three weeks and unable to walk for six months. He says he was offered physical support during this time, but never any mental support. That is where he dedicated himself to understanding the mind further. Lee finished school and became a Environmental Psychologist and coach.
Now his business, Essentialise Functional Life Coaching, helps bring fulfillment, health, and success to individuals and businesses.
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Leveling Up In The Game of Life with Lee Chambers
Craig Inzana: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Happy You Are Here podcast. In this show, we talk about tools, techniques, and ideas to help us live more fulfilling lives. I’m excited to have Lee chambers with me in this episode, lead chambers is a functional life coach. He has a lot of different, subspecialties. I am excited to let him tell his story a little bit, and then we’ll get into some practical ways that his experience and his expertise can help him a little more fulfilling lives.
So thanks for being on the show. Lee, do you want to give yourself a little bit of an introduction?
Lee Chambers: [00:00:37] Yeah, pleasure to be on today, Craig. So yeah, a little bit about me. I’m based in Preston in the UK, which is not far from Manchester in the NAF and here one of the wettest places, you can imagine all the weather off the Atlantic just blows over and we’re in a bit of a Valley and it just drops in.
So I think we are 450 days of ran and I was Walter style reach pretty much whilst as the rest of the country. a little bit of background about me. I grew up a blue collar parents. They work really hard in Stillman where that work ethic first generation university students. So first one in the hall at standard of harmless ago.
parents really pushed for that. And I studied international business psychology found it really interesting, did a lot of different units around psychology business communication, geopolitics languages. So I’ve got a really wide base of knowledge and that’s followed through, into what I do today.
So I graduated into the economic crash in 2008, which wasn’t great because I’d got a job in corporate finance and all of a sudden trading was defunded. Job was made redundant. So I did what not many people do in this situation. It’s up a video game business. And went back, working in local government science really get an idea of what I wanted to do.
A video game business took off and all of a sudden I had a six figure business I’m was working a job and had the freedom and flexibility to start doing qualifications. So I started learning about performance nutrition. Stratford conditioning coach in did some soccer coaching budgies and then went on a bit of a pathway to try and chisel.
What did I want to do? What could I bring to the world where my value? Yeah. I was starting to get a bit closer to understanding that actually I really like helping people and I really what can we dare to cystics other than in 2014, I lost the ability to walk for illness and that. If anything knots me significantly out of the patterns that I was in and really took me back and give me a chance to reflect on what I wanted to do.
So utilizing my video game business, luckily, even though I couldn’t walk, I could still run that from a hospital bed. It took me 11 months to learn to walk again properly. And during that time, my daughter was born and my son was only young at the time, but I decided that I was going to stay at home, run the business and spend as much time as I could with them.
And so we started school while finishing my masters and finishing a number of other qualifications. I was started, brought all up together and decided last year to Lawrence. She centralized, which is a coaching, workplace wellbeing company. And today I work with entrepreneurs, small business owners and small to medium sized companies bring in wellbeing strategies that actually work.
That can be embedded that grow organically and also looking at the consciousness of leadership, the values of business, and really helping people define purpose and direction both personally and in a business sense and hope to connect laws. So amplify and unplug the amplitude even.
Craig Inzana: [00:03:41] I think it’s interesting all of the life coaches that I know, or at least a life and executive coaches that I know like that.
Yeah. And it’s intuitive that connection between the personal life, wellbeing and your professional wellbeing is so intermixed because a lot of times our language about business and like work in personal life is that there’s a balance that there’s this separate. these boxes, there’s work and then there’s personal life.
And that also, first of all, like leaves out a bunch of other boxes in life. but also it’s, anyone that thinks about it for awhile will start to realize that those two things are so intermixed and to treat them as separate boxes is, going to cause problems. It’s going to make things, not a lineup, because if you’re working on things in your business and working on things in your business and you haven’t addressed this personal problem, Then you’re going to always have the same problems in your business and vice versa if you’re having issues in your personal life and maybe it’s being caused by your business, but you’re just trying to deal with it on your personal side.
if you don’t address, what maybe an income problem or something like those two things are so intermixed, it was a little bit of a tangent, but I’m interested in are there specific. Schools of thought or practices that you pull inspiration from or education from, for your life coaching or fear
Lee Chambers: [00:04:58] coaching.
Yeah. So a big part of it is buying background in environmental psychology. So I utilize both the psychological elements, but also look at things from a more holistic point of view. So I look at a very wide range of considerations and start to understand that not only is business and life connected, but have Ruffin has a level connection and rarely my kind of principles pull together a lot of different disciplines and all my different qualifications along the way.
So initially I bring in that kind of. Purpose definition, look in where, what are your values and strengths? How can you bring those to the world? How can you bring the gifts and powers that you have and how can you actually bring that value a make a deference. So we start to dig really deep into why you do what you do and why you want what you want.
And start to actually define what’s underneath that then as well, big difference between me and most of the life coaches is we then actually look and go into health coaching and dip in. So you’ve got a definition of what path and what your journey is. Let’s actually look at you, sleep, you nutritionally, you movement optimize those.
So you have more energy if by yourself, on the journey, but also more energy to start to tackle the psychological elements around limits and beliefs around habits that don’t serve you a little bit of that micro trauma from your past, but also start to look at the failures and now you can pick those and treat them as experiments rather than failures.
The touch the emotion and start to dig in because there’s so much data and every time you fail, that’s how we can actually unplug that in the future and sack it forward. So I think just to pop back into what you said about life and business. the reasonable balance, because balance is on a tangible and that terminology is outdated and it’s problematic because we only have life.
Work is integrated into our life. I almost describe it that inside of us, inside of our life, there’s a significant wheel that is work. And no matter what that work is, that wheel is turning and it’s spinning and it gets momentum. Obviously, if you’re running a business, you want that wheel to be spinning quite fast with momentum.
You want to be pushing that with your values attached and aligned to the business values and really generating something at that nexus point between what you got at what you enjoy and what the world actually needs is the key to spinning that wheel quite quickly. What you actually need to do that is spin that wheel quickly and put your attention and focus on it.
But every day you need to stop that wheel. And disconnect from it. And it’s not easy to do, but as you start to build your life and realize every day, you’ve got the key to start that we’ll move in again and build up the momentum quite quickly. You’ve got like a counterbalance, which is always moving.
If you don’t have that counterbalance always move in, then it’s very difficult to get the momentum, start the wheel turning and yeah, if anything. Your business is a, all your career is a vehicle to achieve the life that you want. And you’ve got to build that vehicle and ensure it’s fit for the journey.
But you’ve also got to know where you go in. You’ve got to belt to put in your satnav where you’re going. You need to know that our vehicle is going to probably go on this route and there’ll be true traffic here, and a road closure here. You need to be ready for that adversity. when you get yeah.
your wheels are all over the place. And yeah, once we once we really aligned to where we’re going, can actually travel. And use that vehicle to get it to the life that we want, but it requires that definition and requires the acceptance that ultimately you’ve got your energy, got your life. You’ve got your relationships and your business is a vehicle to achieve in all those areas.
Craig Inzana: [00:08:55] I’m very grateful to be in a situation where, I have business activities, multiple different things moving, I have some listeners that I know personally that, they are in situations where they don’t have control over their income, their job. Maybe they have reasons why they are locked into.
A specific job because there’s not a lot of opportunity where they live. And, I really try to push everybody, try to figure something out that you can sell or that you can provide as a service, even if it starts as a side thing, because it’s going to create so much freedom to build the life that you want.
But for some people that’s, harder because they’re working 60 hours a week, a day, Oh week in a job that they have no real control over and that’s exhausting and it’s hard to find the space and the energy more importantly, To put into something that’s your own. what kind of starting point could someone take?
I know that’s, you’re working probably a lot with entrepreneurs and stuff with someone that maybe isn’t an entrepreneur, where could they start to take a little bit more control in their life that maybe would have net gains in other places as well?
Lee Chambers: [00:09:59] Yeah. So I think how kind of Fred, not with two separate pints.
So I think it’s always important to realize that. Entrepreneurial-ism isn’t for everybody.
Craig Inzana: [00:10:08] Yeah.
Lee Chambers: [00:10:08] Because there’s times when all by you’re trying to spin that wheel and you’re on your own and you were in a lot of different hearts, he requires a lot of different skills and it’s not pretty, it’s stressful as a savvy.
Craig Inzana: [00:10:23] Yeah.
Lee Chambers: [00:10:24] Yeah. And at the same time, in all truth, it’s not this hustle that. They quite often tell you either, cause you’ll happily hustle yourself up wrong moments in and find yourself all of a sudden, you didn’t get your head up and what way you were going. And you’re in the wrong place completely.
Oh, you could hustle yourself to the point where all of a sudden everything falls apart, your wheel falls off your car because at the end of the day, you can only hostel so much. You’re a human being. You’ve got to look after yourself in terms of a starting point for those, everyone should be looking to do something.
In that gap between what you’re good at, what you enjoy, what you can monetize and what change you can make in the world. And somewhere in between those four pints, does you something that you can do and you know what, ultimately, it might only be a small thing that generates a small income on the side and yet that’s yours.
And what it allows you to do is on and have the autonomy of choice. In that one thing, because truth be told if you have a job, which takes a lot of your time, no matter how much autonomy you think you might have, you don’t like when I lost my job in the economic crunch, I was like, everything’s been set and aware and have this part from the hub, this idea, and then the window.
And it said, sorry, not your turn. And I was like, that’s it I’m setting my old business now because I can’t fire myself. I couldn’t go boss, knowing that I tried my best. And that was the attitude that are hard at the same time for people. It’s really a case of when you’re invested, when you’re truly all into something, you’ve got to, you’re going to do what you need to do, and you need to have that kind of investment because the early stage of the business, it is hard.
You’re going to need to do a lot of different things. And some of those things you’re not really going to enjoy. Let’s be honest. It all starts out with you having to do your own finances, your own marketing, your own sales, your own sauce. And there’s gotta be some fun in there that you really don’t enjoy doing, but you’ve got that passion.
If you actually enjoy it, you’re stronger at you’ve got to eat. You bring in some value, you makin a deference that will follow you through until you get some point where you realize this is where I’ve been the most vile here. I don’t bring that much value in these areas. Let’s find someone who does bring value in those areas, bring them in for their guests, their talents.
And they’ll give me more time and space to do the thing where I bring value and everything will grow. And you’ll find a point where, you want to realize you want to grow this much because not everyone wants to get, like a frozen 10,000 employee business. That’s a lot of work in itself
Craig Inzana: [00:13:04] unless you’re managing people, that might be exactly
Lee Chambers: [00:13:07] right.
And there becomes a point where you don’t bring value doing what you do anymore. You will bring value in terms of an organizational value, And that might be for you. But if that’s not decide what you want, decide what your journey is, decided, the life that you want, use the business to get that life and just start dare by just utilizing the fact that no matter what you do, you always have a start of your day and the end of the day where you’re not at work.
It doesn’t matter if you worked in the middle of the night or in the middle of the day, your am and PM, bookends are usually at least an hour or so, where you have control over your own life, do utilize that to start to build something that’s yours, that you have ownership of, that you can push forward that is actually worth giving that time for.
And there becomes a point where people say, boldly, I’ve been at work. Hold there. I just want to sit on my couch and watch Netflix. And I might, that’s fine. We all need a time to relax and disconnect, but why don’t you separate some of that time and just put it into something that’s yours? What would you rather do?
Watch TV and in your eyes glaze over, I’ll build something that one day might actually make a difference. And all of a sudden people realize. Oh, I could be on my death bed thinking I just watch Netflix for years and I’ve forgotten most of what I’ve watched because most of it was crap.
Oh yeah. I actually spent the past 40 years building a little, something that I’ll leave behind. It’s made a difference in the world. It’s made my life, our children’s life, but my family’s life bar, it might even change the world. Your little idea, go do it. And you know what? You don’t need to go bake.
Because everything starts with small little changes, both in your own development, and you’re all moving towards having some something nutshells.
Craig Inzana: [00:15:03] Absolutely. And that doesn’t necessarily have to be a business. we’re talking in context of buildings of Dean, but I think even in a practice, whether it is a practice that makes you a better person, it makes you less stressed out.
Whatever it is, have better control over your. Human body. That is when you go to work, when you go to your other things, you’re interacting with other people. And if you’re doing it in a more positive, engaged way, that’s contagious that, that’s something that at the end of the life, you can be proud of that kind, that I was generous, that I was mindful that I was, engaged and present when I’m talking to people.
When I talk to people like even just those. small things are actually really big things. When you seem to look them up over the period of a whole year or a whole lifetime.
Lee Chambers: [00:15:44] definitely. And the component incrementally together. So if you make lots of little improvements, yeah. It doesn’t feel like much give it a year.
It’d be a different person. Cause we evolve really quickly and we really don’t. We underestimate what we can actually do in the long term. We overestimate what we can do in the short term. We think we can certainly, Go bake on a goal, but why don’t you go small and lots of different things on London and compound together.
And people get the idea of compound interest and it’s, a lot of money he’s going to start small. And at some point, yeah, I can actually go bigger and bigger able to exactly the same for your health. It works exactly the same for your mind. And you’ve got to train these things space.
We’ve got a world full of options and really. You can start to look after yourself. You can start to look after over people, stop movement. You can start a business, just fingers, the possibilities of what you can start and all of a sudden. You don’t live in a world where you’re actually locking up challenges and wanting to step into them, putting your toe outside that comfort zone and stretching that gradually all of a sudden, yeah, you actually quite like feeling a little bit uncomfortable and things being a little bit uncertain.
Cause you know, you grow from potentially is on the other side of that. You’re actually willing to experiment and fail. And what buck intently, emotional and realize I just have my love caught on what were too many chemicals in this time. He blew up. we’ll find a way. Cause every time we get outside of our comfort zone and find ourselves a bat exposed, all of a sudden we grow a buck.
It’s like going to the gym, you go to the gym, train your muscle, you break your fibers, you stress yourself. Then you got to sleep recovering you’re stronger and bigger. The next day. Your brands have gotten the same of humor print does that all over the course of your lifetime, as you develop and grow and you don’t actually see it in a lot of ways.
And yet everybody on this pun is a leader and you can lead yourself. And by simply by leading yourself, you give other people the permission to lead themselves as well. And that’s really powerful. Again, like you said, these things are contagious. The rope off the people around you will follow your lead.
If you decide to start making changes that make you a different person, a happier person, a healthier person, be that trigger for overs to follow. And again, That is the biggest part of our legacy is when we make a change that facilitates other people to make that change too. And yeah, best way to do it is to be it, not to tell people because people follow the messenger profile, they follow the message.
And it’s exactly the same with per and send as well be the iconic stick busty and that you are, but your beacon. Shine on others so they can bring out their guests as well. It’s incredible.
Craig Inzana: [00:18:38] when you talk about parenting, how much kids really do pick up? We probably do this with all the people that we interact with in our lives.
The kids really do pick up on your actions and you, your like you as a person rather than what you say. You can say, you could tell them all the right things, but if you’re acting in a counter way, it might not manifest right away. But I see this all the time. When I look at friends that are trying to figure out where the specific thing comes from, it always goes back to, a lot of times their parents that I pick up and, we all know ways how we’ve become our parents.
which sometimes is a good thing. And hopefully we pick up the good,
Lee Chambers: [00:19:15] practices that our parents,
Craig Inzana: [00:19:16] and then, choose to let the other ones fall away. But it’s not what our parents said or say, it’s what they did and do. And, that’s a really important thing to think about in our own lives and how we affect other people around us too.
Lee Chambers: [00:19:28] Definitely. And I quite often joke that they should get some little kids it’s in the ballroom because. Let’s be honest. If you’re a hypocrite, you get called out. When the kids are around, they will call you, they will outwit. Yeah. And there will make you realize that actually my communication needs to be clearer.
I definitely need to be congruent with what I’m doing. Yeah. Because the kids will see the kids here, they pick up on it, these things, they pickup inference. They actually sense when you’re not congruent and you’re not being authentic and they call you out. And that’s the amazing powers that we actually have strangely as adults, we actually dump in that lose our QFC.
We actually lose, we lose so many things. We lose our curiosity. Yeah. You lose our ability to communicate clearly. Bye. Why don’t we just have kids running the world would be excellent.
Craig Inzana: [00:20:19] Yeah, I actually, last year, at some point I’ve always been a very serious person, even as a kid. And I think that I get myself into trouble, mental health wise just by taking everything too seriously.
Last year I had this like recurring epiphany that just kept slapping me over the face. So through different life lessons that was like embrace, childlike, wonder, and come at the world. In a lot of ways like a child, have fun, enjoy things, try things, be curious, pay attention to your intuition.
Like all of those things that, we lose. And it’s that’s definitely a seed that grew into a tree in my life of just incredible dividends from just being happier and more engaged with life and being able to read people, not in a way that I’m like, Oh, I’m trying to get something from you.
So I’m reading you and I’m trying to manipulate that situation, but be more in tune when someone’s speaking to you, that’s upset, right? Like they’re not going to necessarily tell you that they’re upset, but if you can pick up on that, you can adjust your communication. Maybe be a little more empathetic.
I see it from that perspective of Or if someone’s lying to you, is there’s a reason they’re lying to you. So can you give them space to be honest, then you make sure that they’re comfortable. there’s so many opportunities to use that intuition to really build deeper bonds with people, which then obviously.
Results in, a more fulfilling life and, in a lot of ways, a more full business life as well.
Lee Chambers: [00:21:45] Definitely. And children just hopped up presence and charisma because one, the day I speak can see here, there actually, there is no, there’s not there’s no hidden agendas, unless they’re asking for sweets candy, then there might be a slightly hidden agenda.
but yeah, just so often they’re in that place where there isn’t the constructs and. Society’s grime all over them so much that causes them to have these beliefs holding them back. And they’re able to just navigate the world in that way that we so often as adults, we almost look up with wonder and think why can children do that?
And yet realize that actually huddles can be just like that, but you’re not supposed to be a child players frowned upon. Let’s just look at some of the language that’s communicated to adults. How about how you should not be a child, but then how many adults in equivalent terms walk around doing things.
Start as a child, got them spanked by the parents, adult, still do the equivalent finger. Keep touching that toilet seat with the hungs over and over again. And literally they don’t get spanked by anyone apart from the highest spiritual power, just spanks you over and over again for keep doing something that, you shouldn’t be doing.
We all know as adults, what we should and what we shouldn’t do. And yet we so often can send you to do things we’ve been told. And we know we shouldn’t, and then like the powers that be, just keep spanking us over and over again. But children are clever because they know that once they’ve been spanked, they don’t touch the toilet seat again.
But they’re still curious and wants to learn about the world. And it’s it’s strange because so many adults continue to make the same mistake, continue to get spanked. By the psychic world out there, but they’ve lost the curiosity. Yeah, we should all be. We should all embrace children. Sharlyn breasts that curiosity, that disruptiveness does.
What brings innovation in business? That’s what breeds creativity. That’s what actually gives us the cognitive flexibility going forward. It’s really strange what children, how their starts to learns and navigate social elements by we walk into a room and believe it should just work. Yeah, no, it’d be like a child step back and realize scan working out.
And like all of a sudden we seem to, because a big part is education, right? So we go for education is all about answers and methods. We find out how to work out the answer. We write the answer down on a piece of paper tick. Correct. Welcome to the next stage of life. Except when you go out into the life and the priest, this
Craig Inzana: [00:24:19] formula to get this answer and in life there aren’t those formulas all the time.
Usually there’s not.
Lee Chambers: [00:24:26] Yeah. And the thing is, does not the farmers, but Masa, the answers are not very useful. Sure because Google will give you 95% of the answers. What you actually need is the ability to question off yourself and other people starts to build your own self awareness and helps you communicate navigate with the world.
You need to learn how to activate. We listen to people so you can pick up what’s being said, what’s not being said and actually helped up presence and charisma to be in the presence. And someone that feels heard. be open and honest with you. And in that world, how often do people have the intentional space to speak and be heard by someone?
Because when I talk about employee wellbeing, that’s tight, the first spend appreciation being heard. that’s the foundation. You don’t have that. Forget all these health awareness courses, forget the workshops, forget the training. If someone doesn’t feel valued, doesn’t feel appreciated and isn’t heard, then they don’t feel like they belong.
Then how are they going to connect to that company? And it’s ABC simple stuff, but so often I’ll go into a company and say, look, you’ve got these stuff here. They don’t, they’re not going to be on the bus. Of this company, online, this company is traveling up a highway and there’s a lot of different vehicles.
I’ll try and travel in the same direction. So one business goal, and you’re in a massive wagon at the front. They want to know that you’re well, you’re healthy and your mind’s right? Cause otherwise you’re sideswipe, everyone knock everyone off the highway and bang, the business’s gone. They have to belt a follow, end up.
We know where we’re going. This highway, Seth, your reset driver of this. I see business. Yeah. And we can actually follow up and know that the managers aren’t going to be all over the place. Shouted at us. It’s like company culture. That’s really nice on a highway when it works. Really doesn’t when it’s toxic environment, everything’s all over the place, but that’s going off on a complete other tangent.
Oh, that’s okay.
Craig Inzana: [00:26:32] That’s no, that’s something I have a lot of experience seeing as a, my business is a marketing agency, so I work with a bunch of different businesses and it’s really interesting. I’ve started to become more picky with who I will work with or who our agency will work with because.
certain business owners, I can just tell that they’re on a very fragile and somehow some of them, some still make it decades and decades, but it’s because they have a new person, they have new people working for them every month. People that are just desperate for a job and then realized pretty quickly this isn’t worth.
The paycheck. and it’s really sad to watch because it’s just an absolute chaos and it makes the owner, the business owner miserable because they can’t figure out why people won’t file them. Why people won’t believe in the business that they’ve
Lee Chambers: [00:27:15] somehow
Craig Inzana: [00:27:16] cobbled together for 30 years. and it’s it starts with you, and it gets worse if you’re not self aware and you’re not aware that you’re causing these problems in your own business, and this is applicable to life and your relationships too.
If you’re not self aware and you just keep seeing everything else is a problem around you. Is eventually like it’s got to come around to Oh, okay, maybe I’m the issue here. But a lot of people will take all of these things that happen around them and it will make them more jaded. It will make them more angry.
It’ll make them more distressful and make them quicker to go off. And it’s going the opposite way. And it’s like cuddling back in us. It’s like a scared child, like huddling back in this corner, that’s being beaten or something. And They just lash out, it’s sad to watch and it’s really, I think it’s, it’s easier to set your life on a good path when you realize that a little bit sooner than later, I can only imagine how difficult it would be to change direction.
If you’re 50, 60 years old and have been acting like that your whole life people
Lee Chambers: [00:28:15] do though, for those people, it takes a major life shifted. So not
Craig Inzana: [00:28:19] usually something really dramatic. Yeah.
Lee Chambers: [00:28:22] Yeah. So it’s your partner dies is our close friend passes. Are you lose your parent? I’ll lose a child.
So often for them, it’s when the health fails, someone around them passes aware, and they just realize this isn’t my life because the gonna be on the deaf, but themselves thinking. They’re not going to be thinking, Oh, I was happy. No, they’re going to be like, I regret not living the life I wanted to live. I regret not staying in contact with the people I wanted to.
I regret treating people badly all these years. I regret just not being a work. And yeah, that’s one of the biggest regrets is I regret not knowing myself. And it’s that journey is an ongoing process. You only really started to unpack a little bit by the time, your body expires and yet to become more self aware to ask ourselves those questions.
At first, we get really bad answers because we’re not very good at asking in questions, but practice in all the time, we actually start to bell today, big difference into ourselves and be able to express that more authentically, which is really important because that is what ultimately brings a level of fulfilling.
When you come attune to your values, you’re actually able to dig a bit into yourself and then you can be self compassionate when times are hard. And what you find with those people, like scared child being beaten. The corner is. They can’t get out of themselves. They’re completely self absorbed in their own problems and everything around them is also a problem.
And that’s hard to prove that mindset shift to be able to see the opportunities are coming. And when you see an elephant as a problem, you can’t see the solutions. You can’t see the opportunities. At Griffin feels like it’s again, share. And that just forces you to abide challenge instead of stepping into it and growing.
So actually you’re almost getting smaller and smaller when you want to be getting bigger and bigger and eventually becomes a pint. Especially if you’re running a business where you feel like a size one person in a size 10 business. And suddenly it just feels too much not aligned.
You need your ideal business is only going to be as big as right. Your identity. But if you’re a size 10 person and a size 10 business, and all of a sudden you just start working, dressing, you become smaller and smaller, your business hopefully stays the Sam, except you gradually feel like. Less and less of a person to deal with this business.
And it’s the same thing with problems as well. So if you are a size, if you’re a size five person and you’ve got a size five problem, it feels like a big problem. But if you grow and become a size 10 person, that satisfied problems don’t seem so big anymore. That’s
Craig Inzana: [00:31:06] yeah. I’ve experienced that in my own life where it seemed like there were problems that were insurmountable.
And by leaving that problem there, which is where this comes in a lot is is this something that I really need to solve today? And a lot of times all with almost every Friday, the answer is no. So if you can leave that and then grow over here and rise to meet, it’s like in a video game where you’re like, Oh, there’s this boss.
And I can’t be this boss. Cause I have to go train and have to grind and I have to get these items and stuff. And then I have to come back for level up. Yeah. which is easy for I think that’s what I think is great about video games. So like implant that, in, into two kids.
And I see that a lot with what’s interesting. Cause I see that a lot with some people that play video games and I guess I don’t see it and others where it’s some people just don’t connect it like real life is like that, they’re like, I’m stuck here. This is my problems. This is I’m this way.
I hear that a lot. Like I’m just like this. And unfortunately I hear it with very close friends or, people that I work with that are them get over, live a little bit happier life now, see everything is so horrible and bad and wrong and can constantly add something as well as to be something wrong constantly.
But that first couple of steps of realizing like I can change the way, just because I’ve been this way, my entire life doesn’t mean that I have to be this way for the rest of my life. And it’s worth that effort to make that change. Are there, you were saying that I wanted to ask if there are some like core pillar changes, someone could focus on, let’s say they hear this podcast and they’re like, yeah.
I’m like that. like I just don’t feel like there’s like the idea of changing me and everything that I see as a problem in life, it seems overwhelming. Is there some key, like early things someone could do to start. Moving in the right direction. Start building, go from level one to level two.
Lee Chambers: [00:32:58] Yeah. So again, it starts with those small changes because we gradually go from level one to level two by spending some time going out there and trying things. So like you said, with your problem, We only ever have one thing we need to do at a time, as much as we honestly believe that we’ve got to do list of 50 things we need to do right now and get all anxious and stressed about it.
There’s only actually one thing we ever need to do at any moment in time. So you’ve got this significant and insurmountable problem. Write it down and put it in the drawer. Corn take some action. So start to do some little things now. it’s tiny little things, maybe a little bit of exercise, a little bit of meditation, a little bit of journaling.
You mind your falls, a little bit of goal setting, starting to get a bit more clarity on what you want. And again, it’s not about sitting there thinking about it. Because as we want to chisel our purpose, our character, we do that by going out and getting a little bit outside of our comfort zone. I think that’s the biggest lessons tech from this is when you feel like I can’t change people like me, don’t do that.
This is just me. That kind of limits in language is where you are when you’re in comfort zone. Because you know that it’s a little bit uncomfortable. It’s a little bit scary when you just step you two out. What you actually need is not more advice where there were too much advice out there. We needed to actually speak to someone honestly, and let them give you a bit of encouragement because then you’ll have that bit of courage to stick your tight side of that comfort zone.
Do something a little bit different, a little bit new. Oh, what feels even a little bit strange, but taking action is how we share ourselves. It’s how we find, what we want is how we move and start to make progress in our lives. So come join a club, go and do something different, speak to somewhere. You’re not spots we’re in a while.
Look at kind of the self help industry is all over the place. And to be honest, it’s not a great place to start, but start to think about something that you would enjoy doing. I’m quite low and do it like som so many people decided to break through these barriers and beliefs that we’ve got by going, doing a hobby and the sort of the connecting with other people who do this hobby and seeing that actually we enjoy this and they’ve managed to do it so I can do it because so often people just actually need the permission to change.
Yeah. That’s what it comes down to the permission, someone to say, look, you can change. And I’m going to give you permission and say, go your own way. Start changing, sit there. And that’s so often something that I use and to go back to the video game analogy. Obviously I’ve been in the video game industry for 12 years with my company and I’ve just access it that.
And it’s so interesting because I’ve been an avid video Gammer over the years. In fact, there was a period of my life where I played too much. Yeah, I was at, but I was able to connect at some point that you go through the level and you try and you try built up some resilience. Like some of the games today, you can’t fail.
That’s really a nine that gives out the wrong message, because you’ve got to experiment with the tactics when you’ve tried it five times and you died every time. I even need to go and build myself up or I need to try a different way. And it’s actually stress, strategize or use different tactics. We don’t need these handhold and video games.
No, some I always need so, but I honestly believe that. It used to be like a bunch of friends sitting round in a room. Trying to solve a puzzle. That’s great team building skills, right? When all of a sudden you’ve got five friends around, you’ve all got different skill sets, I’ve got different strands and you hit a roadblock in a video game.
I, you put your heads together. He’s good at this. He’s good at this. He’s good at this. It’s like a leadership team training in action. Suddenly you achieve it and you finish this game and it’s like, Whoa. And is the truth is video games. It gets a bad rap and the light, this air to me like, Whoa, you’re a psychologist, who’s got a video game company.
Isn’t that a bit of a conflict of interest. And I’m why, you could see it like that. But then I see the power of video games for good, as well as the negatives. And I can then amplify the positives, like the fine motor skill development, the problem, and critical thinking skills, the fostering of creativity, the cognitive flexibility to fail.
finally succeed and then go and do something a little bit harder again. Yeah. And there’s a lot of systems in there, especially in the older game. Really strengthened this particular generation that you know, you are mirroring and hardened us to be able to continually fall down a pit and get up again and give it another go.
Craig Inzana: [00:37:59] Yeah. There’s a book that I read on. I don’t remember what it was. I think it was everything that’s bad for you is good for you was basically taking a contrary view of the TV is bad for you. And that media is getting stupider and video games are getting worse because basically, he breaks down that basically none of it’s true.
and too much of anything is a bad thing, but, he talked a lot about the telescoping. Of goals, that video games teach young people that there’s really no other analog that we have to teach people that way in such an intuitive way where it’s I’m a legend of Zelda and my goal is to defeat it just like big thing.
Yeah. There’s all these other things that I have to do. In order to get there. And then within those things, there’s other small goals and life is so much like that. Like you said, you get your roadmap, which is an important starting point. Like a lot of people don’t even have that, but you get your roadmap and you say, I, maybe I want to go in this general area direction with my life.
I have this purpose. I have this vision of something that I want to try to create in this world. And then it’s okay, I can’t do that overnight. So what kind of person do I have to be able to achieve that? And what kind of things do I have to do in order to build up the resources and become the person to do those things?
And then what do I have to do to get to each of those like sub goals? And it’s That is such an empowering view because it’s okay, I don’t have to, you make this big thing overnight, but I can start journaling. I can start trying to work out every day, even if it’s not a time, I just need to like start doing some exercise every day.
Just all these little things, and that’s going to add up. and that’s where like the life coaching can help have someone that has a little more experience with that sort of world and lives in and every day to help you build that plan and help you identify where those areas of opportunity are.
and where the most realistic growth can come from.
Lee Chambers: [00:39:45] Yeah. It’s really interesting. Cause I almost take an element of that and abroad and I’m from the video game world into my life coaching proxies. So it literally is the, there is an element of system in why I do yeah. you looking at the hero’s journey.
Many video games are best on that journey. And they start out as this little character, and the big buddy comes along and splotchy down and then flies off to the final level. This insurmountable buddy, evil, destructive destroyer of worlds, but you’re going to set off on a little journey.
And what you’re going to do is you’re going to walk all the way out to what you’re going to, what are you going to achieve? Who are you going to defeat? What are you going to do? And you look with the end in mind and you start working back stages levels all the way back to where you are today. This tiny little love of one person, but you’re going to go and gradually get all the experience.
And it gradually increasingly difficult scenario for level three, stair true level three stage. So the pine when, across lots of setbacks in that, cause no one ever plays a game straight from level ones, level a hundred and doesn’t die. Once August stock I’ll get lost, right? Because in life, that’s what life’s like.
It’s like an ECG constantly up and down. If it was flight, it’d be so comfortable, but you’d be dead. You want to have a heartbeat. So it’s like looking at it and realizing that gams are a scenario for life. You gradually get to a point where you’re able to defeat what you saw at the start squashing people don’t you can do that.
Anyone can do that. Anyone can be a level, a hundred person on the deathbed. you’ve got some kind of systemize understand that it’s not going to be, you’re not going to suddenly hit in a rocket and be level a hundred. You’re going to face resistance, challenge, difficulty puzzles, obstacles, barriers.
But you can break laws. Don’t just requires time, practice, growth, passions, persistence, passion, you name it. And I’ll all these words, common fly forward. And they mean different things to different people. Sure. But you just, there’s just really, the biggest thing is access because life just like that, it’s just going to be a challenge.
But every challenge is for you to step up in suit and show what you’re made of we’re human beings, w we’ve evolved through every feeling. Yeah. We have a negative bias cause it wasn’t that long ago that if we were milling about at night, we’re going to get eaten. Yeah, we can. No, we can go out and party all we want, but it’s on literally only a few thousand years ago, you went out in the middle of the night.
You are going to die. You’re going to get eaten alive. So life has changed significantly. We physiologically and psychologically, barely changed at all every time. You’re like, Oh no, that’s it. Your body thinks that deceptive tiger right here. Yeah. And those active faults, they stick to our brands like Volk cross to do that because if the didn’t and you are the target on one side and the pretreat on the other, any human who, lots of the pretreatment fight, Ooh, lovely was eaten.
So we have that negative bias. And they do stick that does stick to our brand, but we have to accept that we’re not going to have this endless positivity, but actually realized that negative negativity that we have is it’s a sign, but we live in a modern world full of inputs and stimulation.
You control those. You start to control. Those suddenly become so much easier.
Craig Inzana: [00:43:14] thank you, Lee. If I could talk to you for hours, be like, but I think that we, added a lot of value here and I’m really excited. I’m always excited when I’m editing these, if you haven’t seen on like Facebook and Twitter on the happier here page, there’s videos that I break down like a clip from each episode.
Sometimes I do more than one clip. I feel like I have 12 clips to go. It’s just a matter of whether I can find the time to do that or pay someone to do that. Cause there’s a lot of really great stuff in here. and I really appreciate it. Lee, is there anything you’d like to, leave people with? obviously let them know where they can find you, but any like final words.
Lee Chambers: [00:43:46] Yeah. I just think in these challenging times that we all fair. So the minute with COVID, it’s a stamp. it’s, it is challenging everyone. I for human being across this world feels anxious and feeling, it’s very terrible. And at the minute, but if we look at it these times, these are the perfect times for humans to step into that challenge, to be innovative, to be creative.
We look at the last time we had anything like this, it was the economic crash where I was made redundant and fell into me own little pet. And yet that same economic crush spawned the likes of Airbnb and Uber who ultimately decided to disrupt and creatively innovate into very traditional industries.
Why don’t you be the disruptor and the creator in this crisis? So try not to divide everything that’s up and in, but trying to step into it. Try to make a difference and start to forge your own path. Because again, this is the perfect time to actually do that because the world becomes more absorbent and all of a sudden you can really start to slow down a little bit and define what do you want to do?
Who wants to become, start to create that puff? And you know what? You might only be a level, one character. You might not have grown, but you’ll level hundreds just where Cynthia, you’ve got to get out the step out there and start the first level.
Craig Inzana: [00:45:07] Thank you so much, Lee, where can they find you? it’ll be in the show notes below, go ahead and like that.
Lee Chambers: [00:45:12] Yeah, I’m on all the socials, essentially Kotch on my website. dot co.uk. I’m Lee chambers dog.
Craig Inzana: [00:45:20] You have a great blog there on your website. So there’s lots of great stuff. Thank you so much, Lee. And,
Lee Chambers: [00:45:27] talk to you again soon. Yeah. Pleasure Craig. Thank You.